Ever wondered how much it would cost to build a working, life-sized Gundam robot? At least $725 million for the parts and materials, according to an estimate published on the SciencePortal website run by the Japan Science and Technology Agency. The price tag for this giant humanoid, which would stand 18 meters (60 feet) tall and weigh 43.4 metric tons (nearly 100,000 lbs), does not include the cost of labor (this is where an extensive pool of robot slave labor comes in handy), nor does it include the cost of the infrastructure needed to support the machine once you are ready to climb aboard and take it for a walk.
Estimated cost of Gundam parts:
ITEM | UNIT COST | QTY | COST |
Aluminum alloy (honeycomb) | $1,800 | 43,875 | $79,000,000 |
(+ Metal manufacturing/processing) | $240,000,000 | ||
Main computer (IBM) | $1,550,000 | 1 | $1,550,000 |
Gas turbine engines (GE) | $52,000,000 | 7 | $364,000,000 |
Superconductive motors (IHI) | $260,000 | 30 | $7,800,000 |
Motor drivers | $260,000 | 30 | $7,800,000 |
Reducers | $760,000 | 30 | $22,800,000 |
Sensors | $910,000 | ||
Cockpit | $450,000 | ||
TOTAL: | $724,310,000 |
Note that unlike in the anime, the Gundam described here would merely be able to walk -- it would not have the ability to fly or have any fancy weaponry. Also, instead of Gundanium, the robot would be covered in aluminum alloy plating.
An IBM Blue Gene supercomputer would serve as the Gundam's computer system ($1.5 million sounds like a steal), and its movements would be driven by 30 giant 400KW motors -- 12 in the legs, 2 in the torso, 14 in the arms, and 2 in the neck. A 400KW motor is quite powerful -- by comparison, some Shinkansen bullet trains use 300KW motors. The motors alone would cost $7.8 million, but to power them would require the equivalent of 7 Apache helicopter engines (the helicopters cost an estimated $52 million each).
While $700 million is a lot of money (more than the GDP of Liberia, Grenada and a dozen or so other nations), it does not seem like so much when you compare it to the cost of other large-scale machinery. Military tanks costs around $4 to $7 million each, commercial passenger planes cost around $200 to $300 million, rockets can cost around $100 million to launch, expensive fighter jets can cost billions, and aircraft carriers cost about $5 billion.
A robot of this size and stature would face a number of physical challenges, such as the inability to walk without completely destroying the ground surface beneath its feet. When humans walk, we exert about 1.5 times our body weight of pressure on the ground (and on our feet) with each step. This poses a huge problem for a 43-ton humanoid, which would probably need to have very wide feet (to distribute the pressure over a larger area) and walk very very slowly. Dinosaurs found a way to get around, though, so giant robots probably can, too.
But perhaps the greatest challenge of all would be to find the funding for an enormous walking machine with no apparent practical or military application. With no money, this Gundam will forever remain just a dream.
[Source: SciencePortal]
sir jorge
some people should have all their money taken away so that they don't buy stupid stuff like materials for a gundam
[ ]getalife
Yeah, they should give all of their money to some worthless country in the middle of nowhere so people there can have clean water and medicine... and then continue killing each other in equally worthless civil wars.
I'll take the Gundam being built by a learned nation over that any day.
[ ]HEHE97
i dont know if youll ever see this but , i want to have your children. that comment made my YEAR <3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
[ ]RazgrizBird
Don't be disrespectful of those who want to make the sci-fi world a reality. I personally think that it would be a great achievement for man to make such a large robot which would be able to maintain its balance.
[ ]dtrick
hey. i do have to side with you, if you do recall the invention of the cell phone came from the sci fi of the old star trek. and look wat we can do with them today.
its ppl like you that help make the dreamers of this world have the strengh to try wat they belive in. i for one have all waysd wished for such a dreamer to help me one my quest.
let me explane,...in the past i have massterd the art of mecha..to a point...i have created robots( or die bots i call them) about half the size of a human...i have made it posibel for them to walk like man...an shoot a legal( regesterd gun). with a onbord system that has moshion sencers that make the "die" move its head an body to face dorectly at a moveing target on its own acord... in its head system i have camras in it so the one controling it 56 to 69 km away can see wat he is doing....and with my studys and help from others..we have finaly mad it posibel on papper that a 20 foot version of the "die" prototyp can be made with a human piolet in side, controling it, as well as a human side suit that can hold 369 singel rounds or ( shots) of a hunter rifel on both its arms. some wat like the G.I JOE suit u seen on that show. but not as cool,...no u wouldnt beabel to jump throw walls and that an jump high. but we mad a prototyp of this human size "die"( an exoscelatin that the human wares like a armerd suit. we have made it passibel to have the human were the suit and beabel to punch an object like a wall with 367 pounds of force not harming the human piolet.
you may be saying to your self....bull shit....it is only human nature to dis bilive wat they cant see.
but me an the others are looking for people to help with such a prodject...im funding the project ..based in alberta cannada. we have flowen people from usa...other parts of cannada...inglend..and russa..to help with this divelopment....from engeners to electrisions....but of all the peopl they all lake some thing,....the ability to belive...i am funding this project as well as the leader of its building...and asking you ... and only you...will you help use reach are dream..as dreamers...to see are dream finished?....you have the gift they we need...will u help use desigen the "die"?...this is a privetly funded so it is secret..not many people know we even exsite in this world...
if you wish to learn more..the only way for you to reach me in person is to send a letter to me...
if you wish to help desigen are futer of this world or not....if you do...we will send you are latest designes....no we are not a tarest group...im sorry but i had to add that in ...in the past some of are engeners thought we were tarests...lol..but if we get this built..the canadian goverment and its army has the first clame on it....only the highest reaches of the canadaian coverment know wat we build......
i toke a risk on asking you on this wed site..i have said to much as in the line of secretcy...if you wish to contacked me....send me a letter......
denis troywalchuck
box 473
Hines Creek
T0H 2A0
Alberta,cannada
not by email...secret is top...i toke a risk telling you all this...you may be thinking that if it was so secret why tell a compleat stranger an ask him to join??
three reasons.....we need some one like you.....second...thir is no solid proof that is on here in this messeg that can lead to are true location or were abouts( the mail adress is a location but not are location..were a lil smarter then that)...and third....to ask for anothers help...thir is all ways a risk to asking 4 help...is thir noT???.....if u wish to talke ferther more about this to join or not.....send me a letter.....we wait for your replay
[ ]frozenthrone
Its is hard to believe what you have said on this site but i do know that it is possible with the current technology to create something for either military purpose or for the benefit of the world.... I am interested but i need to know 1st that this is not a joke.... i will be waiting for your reply to this msg
[ ]you're an idiot
First of all, learn English and second, do you really believe that people are going to think what you're saying is true....dumbass
[ ]matthew
I would be glad to lend a hand if you will respond to my email then we could further discuss helping each other out.
[ ]Herro
i agree
[ ]Axcel
You misspelled the name of the country you live in. Though I do like the idea of making a mobile suit, arm slave, battle armor (ala battletech), battle mech, heavy gear, etc.
[ ]E
Yes, building stuff for destroying each other, in more effective, amazing ways, instead to do something maybe less flashy but much more useful (Just think that by halving military expenses we could stop world hunger... wouldn't that be much better?) Anyways giant robots are really cool to see in movies but actually are a really stupid idea on the battlefield.... soldiers and air-force can achieve the same at a fraction of the cost and they are much more mobile...
[ ]Jemery Yonson
BTW if were could make Newtypes or Coordinators would it be possible
[ ]jerosh
really to me mobile suits are the metal like guardians of the earth and as a mecha engineer/mecha pilot am sorry to say that the mobile suits in gumdam seed and stuff can't be brought to the real world in it original form only with mods you can but the thing is when i grow up i will have my own force to protect this very earth and unlike zaft i don't look down upon humans and the only thing i dislike about most humans is there anger and that's all!
[ ]jerosh
also making gundum is very inexpensive and will be expensive if you make mobile suits from anime but if you design and make your own mobile suits am sure it won't cost you much expect just me working on one of my mobile suits like upgradeing it and etc takes a lot out of yah
[ ]WHAT...
Right lmao your a "pilot" and an "engineer" for mobile suits.... you need to put down the game controller and come back to reality... like soon, before you are committed... like you should be.
[ ]Oriceles
If I were Bill Gates or some sort of jackass like him I would spent it on it and spent more to buy the weapons
[ ]Gone Retaker
The price is not that high, concerdering some of the jets and planes cost over a few billion to build. It's just the fact that we have no large use for them or the military would have them already. We are building power suit now that are manned like you see in aliens movie, Ones that lift several Tons and one you see in GI Joe movie are in prototype Phase. But the way life is going young people are never going to smart enough to pilot, or even be able to build one. It all starts with the imagination and the will to build it, anything can be done
[ ]Dragonclaws
What they should do is invite loads of people to donate to them, maybe give some percentage to charity. There's loads of nerds out there willing to contribute to something like this.
[ ]Synthex
Wow...were you even thinking on a critical level when you came up with that scheme? I PRAY that you are not an insurance agent. LOL, imagine that!!! Entrepeneur: Hi nerd! Do you like gundams? wanna donate for a giant one? we will give some of it to charity! Nerd: Sure, how much? Entrepeneur: Oh not much, whatever u can. We need 725 million to make it. Nerd:<---heart attack. Whose gonna spend money on dumb things like that? Unless ur getting NASA to fund that crap, i recommend u get a brain and not come up with bad ideas.
[ ]James T.
so wat ur saying is all the people that have donated to that r big nerds and that an advancement in technology is a waste of money? in regards to dragins theory... there prolly are hundreds or "nerds" to donated maybe 25 mil each. even just 5 mil.. i mean, were u thinking when u came up with that reply?
[ ]aliby
Well, someone pays Simon 38million a year to be a jerk on American Idol. And that's only one of his jobs. So, if people want to pay that much to hear a guy complain about people's singing, how hard could it be to find a bunch of people to donate to a big robot?
[ ]Axcel
You have an amusingly (and embarassingly, for humanity) good point.
[ ]MrAEGDI
There are plenty of people willing to invest, at the time of this article there wasn't an efficient means of reaching people. Now we have sites like GoFundMe, Reddit, Facebook, ect. where you can reach out to the masses to raise money.
Also you forget that private entities could sponsor the cost, if a couple years after a financial crisis a bank is willing to put up $220 million to name a stadium for 25 yrs I wouldn't put it past a tech company offering $50 - $100 million to name the robot and slap their logo all over it..
[ ]Rasa
If it's not made of gundanium, it's not worth building. Just sayin', is all.
[ ]SchizophrenicMC
Why does everyone keep bringing up Gundanium? That was Wing! This is 0079! It's Lunar Titanium...
So, build it of titanium. Better than silly, old aluminum.
[ ]pilot of hi nu gundam
in my opinion Carbon Nanotubes is the best material for gundam it is 1000 times stronger than steel and 100 times lighter.
[ ]SchizophrenicMC
That being said, Carbon Nanotube is much more expensive, and impractical on this scale. Besides, military technology has this overwhelming preference to metal, and the Gundam was made of Titanium, anyhow.
Looking at those numbers, I can tell they're making Gundam out to be a giant ASIMO.
[ ]zero
yea but brittle :/
[ ]Arashi
I agree wit ur idea. Carbon fibre oso can be a good material 4 making gundam not stupid dump aluminium can stuff.
[ ]Arashi
To me gundam have open my eye 2 the world. The lesson i have learned 4rom tis animation is WAR just bring PAIN to our belove world. Gundam not juz have a good lesson 2 all the human in tis world but also told us tat we should live in harmony where all people in tis world can live 2gether without killing each other
RazgrizBird
I believe that on The scale needed for a Gundam, nanotube alone would be too brittle. Maybe a titanium and carbon nanotube mix. That would both lighten the metal as well as elasticise the carbon nanotube.
sabir
Why not use Kevlar alloys, carbon fibre, pressurised helium/ vacuum wings for light weight flight, Kevlar to stop bullet penetration @ 13~97G, high intensity resistant diamond platinum alloys to stop heat/ explosion damage, treading treatment to make it waterproof, 400 x 200cm compressed hydrogen tanks (a 5 x 2cm canister can hold up to 6000literes of hydrogen) nuclear ministration is a relevant option, and you can use Vulcan cannons and high frequency blades for weaponry, which brings us up to $~4,896M cheaper than a B1 bomber. And please, its our money, so we can fulfil our dreams and sci-fi imagination isn't BS.....if u think it is and you have anykind's of phone...u disserve a slap and a sticker calling you hypocrite.
john garvey
also why not use a nuetron partical generator for the energy source and an ion t4 motor made in uk for the thrust to make it fly it only goes 500 kph top speed but can run very long distances with little energy. i agree about the carbon tubes but the cost is very high and it takes a while to produce the amount you would need titanium is cheaper and only the frane should be made of it the outer armer plating could be made of depleated uranium like the better tanks use. as for the computers you can make a super computer rather cheaply by buying generic pc at a discount store and splice them together the computing problem is the soft ware not the hard ware also trying to balance the machine to walk could be an issue but an electrionic gyro could be the answer included in the computers programing. possible use motion capture to have the machine move more like a human would be nice the cock pit controls would also be tricky and what type of huds display would be aproprate besides visual and audio in 360' whare would you put the remaning power guage sencer array for radar thermal imaging and other types of scaning equipment go it would be funny if some one just used the one from the armorcore or gundam series games and used that imagan using a xbox or ps3 controler to run a real gundam. sorry for typing so much but a lot of the issues biulding a gundam are not realy hard to fix the issue is the cost. give funds with exsisting tech you could biuld a fully functional gundam 10-20 yrs or less intime sorry no lasser swords yet but ill figure that out edventuarly
[ ]Axcel
The better tanks actually use Chobam armor. To put things in perspective: said armor is nearly impervious to shaped charges and armor-piercing tank rounds SHATTER against it. S.c.a.r.y.
kai241
personaly they need to make the wing gundams the custom versions cause thoughs looked awsome as hell i would love to pilet wing zero one day
[ ]Axcel
Not to mention that the non-gundam mobile suits from wing are the most realistic. Besides, the pilots from wing are the most badass....because they START OUT as absolute badasses instead of being some whiny, pussy-ass bitch kid who starts screaming and crying at the drop of a hat.
[ ]CJ
Glad someone pointed that out ;x -high five-
[ ]Axcel
It's explicitly stated in canon that Lunar Titanium is another name for Gundanium.
[ ]WHAT...
Yeah... and immensely heavier... bringing the cost up a lot to provide EVEN more engines to move it.... think, guy. There is a reason they chose aluminum. Weight. And cost. Looks like you wont be running any companies any time soon lol...
[ ]Andwhatda
If its not made of gundanium its not a gundam! if they make it out of titanium it would be call a titan!
[ ]J Ridden
Andwhatda are you new to Gundam or are you just that ignorant. Gundanium if only for the After Colony Universe, and if you were actually a Gundam Fan you would know this and that most Gundams were made of one kind of Titanium alloy or an other, and even gundanium is also a type of Titanium alloy, so don't talk until you know what you are talking about.
[ ]Axcel
Again, canon says Lunar Titanium is another name for Gundanium alloy. They are the same thing.
[ ]JALBER83
Axcel Gundanium is not in the Gundam canon. The word Gundanium was not used until the 90s and if you are going to say "well my copy of zeta gundam says gundanium", then you copy is clearly a poorly translated P.O.S. . The canon for Gundam clearly states that different types of Lunar Titanium are used. And gundanium is a general term created duing G.W. to describe a certain manufacturing process of Lunar Titanium.
Axcel
Then call it an Imperator and twe'll have no problem.
[ ]Oriceles
Yeah ir can be detected by radars, and can't fly. It's like a Leo MobileSuit but worse :/
[ ]Shoovi
...just, I love you Japanese ;)
"Mom, can I have one more piece of cake. This damn giant robot took it away..." ;)
cheers
[ ]eric mooney
you could build a walking humanoid machine for commercial or military use but nothing as huge as a gundam, if that thing gets knocked over its done for, and then think how hard it would be to pilot such a thing
[ ]Axcel
First, if it gets knocked over it'll stand back up the same way a human would (though without rolling onto hands and knees). Thay is the point of making it humanoid.
Second, video games translate simple commands from a controller into complex mecha fighting. Doing the same for a real mobile suit can't be much more difficult. Therefore, it'll be easy to pilot. Still it'd require someone who is both a pilot and a soldier (air and ground and sophisticated technology) plus a good amount of mechanical, electrical, and software engineering know-how. This would make real mobile suit (and smaller mechs, such as arm slaves and heavy gears) pilots justas prestigious as they are in anime and games. Just as few, too.
[ ]Neil Duckett
Probably a little pricey for most :>{
[ ]JH
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tehmoe
its so frikin possible now. they would easily reduce the cost a couple hundred million if they made it into 45 ft or 40 ft rather than the 60ft originally. i mean if every anime fan in the world donated like 100 dollars it could happen. i mean bill gates could do it if he wanted to its not that much money(when i say this i mean a total accumulation of all the money in the world or possibly the billions wasted on nukes tanks guns and bullets...)
[ ]i mean what if the world had to the fact that gundams are the future way of fighting... i would pilot one!
tu
well, seeing as that it costs about 400 thousand USD to train one individual US infantry soldier (not specialized), how much do you think it would cost to train a specialized pilot and specialized technicians to fix it whenever it gets dingged up? add that to the cost of the mahcine in total and you've got yourself one big need of stimulus package.
[ ]godofdeath
piloting it is the easy part i mean i can program it to follow my every move and have a virtual reality cage like in some of game
[ ]Axcel
It'd still cost less than building, arming, crewing, and maintaining most modern fighter jets while being an effective, all-terrain, anti-everything war machine.
[ ]RazgrizBird
I would pilot one as well.
[ ]evana
In my opinion,to build large full scale gundam will be a freak enough for the pocket of share holder. But if the scale is downsized and replacing by easier design it probably will be true.
[ ]tu
true, probably about 20-30 feet high. and with our new carbon fiber and polymer materials it will be very light and resiliant.
[ ]SchizophrenicMC
The thing you described would not be a Gundam. It would be some other mech. Maybe a Knightmare Frame, from Code Geass. They're 15-20 feet tall.
Gundams are 18 or so meters tall. 60 feet. Not this "smaller" crap.
Now, what I think is ridiculous is a full-scale White Base to go with it.
[ ]CodeGeassFan
Knightmare Frames are closer to something we could build with tech in the near future anyway. Plus, the Guren or the Lancelot would easily be able to own a 60 foot Gundam. With size comes vulnerability. Smaller target, harder to hit, moves faster, and there for can own ANY Gundam, They are big, slow, and they honestly kind of look ugly. I don't hate Gundams, the first anime I ever saw was Gundam Wing, but the Knightmares just make more sense to me. Radiation Wave Surger anyone? :P
[ ]SchizophrenicMC
Oh, God, no. Not one of those!
The thing is, though, a 60-foot tall Gundam (Still smaller than the 65-foot long UH-60) would have a larger weapons capacity than a Knightmare. Plus, Knightmares leave the pilot amazingly undefended and have no real room for a power supply. In Gundam, most of the torso is space for the reactor it used, leaving a small 2x3 meter space open for the command module.
Large size doesn't make it vulnerable. If that were the case, the CH-47, C-17, and MH-53 aircraft wouldn't exist. They're all leagues larger than this.
We have the technology. We can build it. Question is, now, can we make a beam rifle for it? :P
RazgrizBird
With the carry capacity of a Gundam, we could make a beam rifle. Currently we have a working laser weapon on a modifies 747, but it probably could be scaled for Gundam use.
Meatyloops
It also needs beam swords! but then one could just be sliced in half by another and thats 700 million down the drain
blah
This is rather absurd. The costs for modern war machines is not for the parts, most of it is for development costs, which takes anywhere from 5 - 10 years with hundreds of engineers and millions of dollars in purpose built equipment. The billions of dollars the US government pays for those stealth bombers is to recoup the development costs. If it would cost $730million for the parts for a Gundam, the costs of engineering the design and building it all from scratch would probably run in the 10s of billions or more.
[ ]sabz
developers and designer......thousands of people (with qualificatons) will gladly help for free
[ ]CyberStrike
I would put it in the low billions range, On top of making it smaller and replacing the Aluminium with Carbon fibre.
[ ]lololol
I can't decide whether to buy this or the zoid. I have no idea what to spend this money on.
[ ]joe
*Sigh* you dumbass you forgot some key facts I mean yes it will cost allot of money but walking slowly big feet HA look your feet they not wide or huge to take away force when we walk we have something. *I forget what is called* that absorbs some of our body weight when we walk I mean come on. LOOK AT THE SCIENCE jeez planes lets look at planes shall what do plane’s have...give up?
[ ]SHOCK ABSORBERS when a plane lands it bends down cuz of the shocks and force and weight hmmm now lets take those away what would happen?
it would crash boom fire dead people when a mobile walks the shocks in the feet and legs absorb the pressure ok now then leeeets look at ourselves ok what would happen if we jump from a high place like a tree if we didn’t bend down what would happen?......give up?
We would end up breaking our legs it be painful really painful so when a mobile suit jumps and lands the shocks in the feet and legs well absorb a lil bit of pressure plus it will bend down to absorb more I mean. YES it will leave a mark BUT not as big of mark or hole Jesus look at the science BEFORE you write something like this. And the jets are possible but that needs more time and you forgot something THE CAMARAS how do you see out there are quite a few camera’s big ones I will tell you were they are hidden IN PLAIN SIGHT. There are 3 or 4 fore in one eye so there altogether are 6 or 8 cameras in 2 eyes put together. And 2 in the head 1 big one in the front and in the back what did you think that crust was running along his head some decoration ya now for every part on a mobile suit it has a use it not all for decoration. Well before I keep talking bout how it works and everything it needs how it moves ETC ETC ETC so in conclusion look at the science learn how it works BEFORE you make some shit up on how you think it works.
s0nicstr1fe
Hey Joe,
How about learning how to spell before you explain the "science" of an animated robot.
"THE CAMARAS how do you see out there are quite a few camera’s big ones I will tell you were they are hidden IN PLAIN SIGHT."
Camaras? HIDDEN in PLAIN SIGHT?!
Oh noes...
[ ]Oriceles
Unreplied troll is unreplied
[ ]VoltaParabol
JUMPJETS!!! a mech with out jumpjets is retarded, if np jumpjets how about some chain guns or something...anyhow thats pretty cool
[ ]VoltaParabol
oh yea this guy talking about "the science" your gay...you must have alot of time to think about this gay shit, pussy.
[ ]Entropy
While I don't like how joe exposed it, there something in there that are true.
For a robot like that to move, would be needed someting like the pneumatic chambers of a car's wheel in both the foots.
of course, just that wouldn't make it, but it's a start...
[ ]Erixxx
How about a smaller type Gundam with hover ability's. Lightweight aromored core where the cockpit would be for speed (no head). The weak armor could stop heavy machine gun fire for a while. The CPU would have to detect rpg fire and other rockets and control evasive moves automatically . The costs of engineering the design and building wouldn't have to be too much being that all parts are in use today. Half-hover craft with (boosters, or jumpjets!) half-tank with arms!! Programming the CPU could be hard.I think speed is the answer.
[ ]DJmoneybanks
THE GUNDAM HEAD IS LIKE THE COOLEST PART OF A Gundam........ and soon i think the army mite consider gundams as a way to get rid of there enemys quicker. With all this technologe it wouldnt be that hard to build a gundam...... it still would take alot of time and money. But in 20 or 30 years they just make consider it. I would love to be in the cockpit of a gundam. I would maybe join the army then.
P.S I read on a newspaper online that some nation are considering it.
[ ]DevilNumbuh2
the Japanese are already halfway done with theirs they might have started this in the 80's while USA was still trying to figure out how planes really work
[ ]Herp Derpington
Yeah, and that's clearly why Japan uses 30+ year old American airplanes for their air force.
[ ]Sage
Well currently sense there is no real use for Gundams what they should do is make a smaller type Mecha machine with the use of Track wheels that would be less exspensive and more movable.It should be piloted by 2 people ,a driver and a shooter. With this project they could use it as a foundation. Using this would lower the price by at least 30million. (just a suggestion) Instead of using this Machine for a War weapon it could start as a new type of League. This would take years upon years to happen but like i said (just a suggestion)
[ ]packard
It's called a tank bud.....
[ ]Herp Derpington
I've got an even better idea. We take off the head and arms too, flatten it all out a bit, and give it the biggest gun that can be fired from a chassis in it's weight class.
Then we do it 92 years ago.
Should shave the price tag down to 1-3 millon dollars per unit for the best available, and be in use in the hundreds or thousands with every major military in the world by now.
[ ]DJmoneybanks
or except for making it like 60ft tall make it like 30 or 40 feet tall that might leave some money 4 weapons and jets.
[ ]Austin
@Anon
>>Is it just me, or does anyone else >>think giant walking robots are a >>huge military liability?...
I've been thinking too much about this, and i think a solution involving nanophase materials instead of standard aluminum would both lighten the the entire superstructure, redically increase armor/durability, as well as it being a nanaophase material makes it a prime candidate for translucentcy. Giving it the ability to leverage present light reflection, and admittedly low-grade "invisibility" techniques involving projecting, or reproducing the terrian behind to yield adapotive camoflage (already in use on many tanks). As far as the legs being vulnerable i think they would be designed with that flaw in mind, and would have several reactive technologies to counteract attacks which focus on that area. And other area's. The design can be engineerd to withstand the majority of projecticle weaponary (like a tank) with little to no damage. Active/Intelligent projectices involving sometype of computer system tech can be either targeted and destoryed in advance, or reduced to a "regular" projectile with a EMP type weapon that triggered off some type of proximity detection. those aren't *all* of the way or ideas, just a few that i came up with quickly.
Also the pricing on these parts are reflecting the highest potential price in many cirumstances, and a rather low tech approach to solving design problems. Something like this would most likely call for atomic batteries or a micro-nuclear reactor like the one toshiba's building
so Nano materials give us super armor and a moderate degree of camoflage
intelligent engineering gives us enchanced resistence to obvious attacks; enhanced active and passive protection against "intelligent" attacks, and potentially far greater agility and range than any other ground based military technology.
As for taking a direct hit; the armor could be dseign with an overlapping plating system for a. increased mobility and dexterity, and b. to recapture engergy used to push the armor plates forward or backward... The only way i can think of to describe this tech is some colleges, grocery stores, and malls have doors with energy reclmation motors attached to them; you'll notice it because it's harder to open the doors, and you can almost feel or hear a motor type grinding or vibration when you open the door. These are hooked to batteries, which are charged when you open the door, and assist in powering the automatic/handicapped doors in an almost altruistic symbyosis of energy reclamation. I envision the same tech recapturing the Force of a projectile exploding, or "hitting" the armor which instead of denting the armor, pushes it inward, driving the reclamation motor, absorbing the force of impact, and recharge battieries of sometype on the Mecha either for EMP or other energy related activities.
as crazy as it sounds, what i'm describing is not far-fetched. It's leveraging existing cutting-edge technology to create a truly desirable war machine that any government or paraniod billionare would be proud to own in the worst case scenario.
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[ ]DJmoneybanks
THATS WHAT I was sayin
[ ]DJmoneybanks
in diffent words it reallt wouldnt be a big deal for all those billionares. An if the army really wants to win wars they should follows austins idea of building a gundam.
(other nations are already doin it)!!!!!!!
[ ]GST90
Fun article. I do think a giant robot (mobile suit) of this size would be both awkward and expensive. A couple of people brought up some interesting points, though. A smaller machine would be cheaper to produce as well as more practical. The original mobile suits shown in the anime was developed for space combat. Their size was probably due to both the size of their powerplants as well as to need to carry anti ship weapons. Their humanoid shape was just a hold over from the heavy space suits that they evolved from. Later in the show, mecha even abandoned the human form.
If an incarnation of the giant robot/mobile suit were to make an appearance as an actual piece of military hardware I would think it would be much smaller in size. Our modern type of warfare would dictate something we could air drop from a C-17. It would be able to survive small arms, rpg's, IUD's etc. Like our current tanks they would thermal sensors, night vision smoke dischargers, etc but in a package that was more suited for urban combat. 60 foot mobile suit, isn't necessary, but maybe a 10-20 foot tall mech to breakdown doors and support infantry... I could see that happening in our lifetime.
[ ]gundam
if they could build that im sure im the first to ride it :)
[ ]Passion
I know it would suck to see an actual Gundam that cant fly or
have cool weapons or no Gundanium armor but just to see
an actual real Gundam walking around would be cool. So i say
to get everyfan thats a fan of Gundam to contribute a little
bit of there money or anyway possible to help raise money for the project kuz i know there R a Lot of u Gundam fans out there and together the money could be raised!
yours truly, Mike
[ ]Esiliago
Enormous fighting machines are nice, if they remain confined in fiction. For example watching the new Raptor fighter evolutions is exciting... then I think to price and purpose and go mad. What a bunch of idiots we are!
[ ]Ace_Of_Roses
I have been interested in electronics for along time , and if you wanted to build one it would cost alot more than that.if you where to ignore a few thousand copyrights and so fourth you could make one with massive amounts of weaponry and enough tactical strength to wipe out a city !
[ ]JALBER83
For all you nut out there only gundams from the gundam wing series were made of gundanium, all the other were made of titanium.
[ ]Oriceles
And the Serpents from the OVA from Neo-Titanium
[ ]White Rose
Hey JALBER83 actualy starting from Zeta Gundam on they used gundarium alloy its spelled "gundanium" in G Wing its still the same thing!!!
[ ]Newtype 01
See, this is why REAL Gundam afficionados hate Wing. Because you idiots don't watch the original series, you don't know the tech. THERE IS NO SUCH METAL AS GUNDANIUM!!! What is used is Luna Titanium Alloy, which is made up of titanium alloy & ceramic material, for better impact resistance and lighter weight. Even before that, the original gundam was made of a super-hard steel/titanium alloy. Do your RESEARCH, people.
P.S. - Inertial dampeners would be needed for the mobile suit to walk correctly, in conjunction with gyroscopic correctors in key places in the frame.
[ ]jeff
if you're going to make the gundam any smaller than it already is its just going to turn into a mech... from mech warriors... and i dont think that in the next 20-30-40 years there are going to be any gundams running around shooting the shit out of eachother. it just doesnt make alot of sense to build one when we already have tanks, planes, and ships that can basically take out anything in their sight.
[ ]opps
i want a gundam =)
[ ]spades_of_tullups
that is a lot of money
[ ]NinjaMonkey56
Call the Rockefellers we want a giant robot built. I mean they have that kind of money why the heck not?
[ ]AD
Screw it. get the f#$%^in Gov 2 build an army a dat shit so no more
[ ]soldiers get wasted in F%$#%in Iraq..
God iz so fing ez.
russell
my dream as a kid was to design and build a gundam, if any thing, we shouldnt build rx-78 we need to build like heavy arms or just build a basic leo design, not the most complex of gundams but mabey the simpler mobil suit designs. just an idea even if the military had just a leo we could be unstopable,
[ ]another problem would be the pilot, i myself now how gundams and leos work there controls and such. but to train someone that dosnt know how the move and work would be very hard.
adam
I may have missed it, but to answer the weight distribution problem for stomping the ground, I pose the question: "Why does it matter?" If you look at the original novels, mobile suits never fought on Earth, (yes I know there was a fight on three colonies, but eh...) and they were meant to be space superiority fighters. So, it's okay to have all that mass, as long as it's in space. However, to push that mass around, how much would it cost to have rockets and verniers? I'd see a space faring gundam more practical than one on Earth. It'd be much more maneuverable, faster, and awesome to see in action, even if it wasn't for military purposes. The whole thing behind Gundam was that close combat was necessary again because radar was effectively disrupted, thus no long range weapons. Soooo, unless Minovsky particles are ever realized, these things don't seem to have any good military value.
[ ]adam
well...just looked above me again, and someone kind of brought it up...
oh wellz
[ ]Ky Kiske
rx-78-2 isn't the best of the best if you look at the (future gundams) that doesn't mean that it can't be done aside from that no matter what is said about building at least one rich or not it will be built w/or w/out we want or desire to have b/c someone/somebody will find it useful for self gain or dare i say it to rule the world in the end does it really matter what we want contact me at goldwarmachine2003@yahoo.com if you want to talk about futher
[ ]SR-71 Black Bird
I actualy have been coming up with ways to solve large scale humanoide robotics scines i first saw gundam wing. I'm a mechanical engineer and i find it vary posible to make a mobile suit that is 15-20 tall running on cold fusion reactors. with almost the same 'scale' mobability as a nomal human. with weapons of course. but it would not have anything uh humanly posable other than that like the suits in halo. It would be possible to make something like this by streching your resources for near 2 million dollars. And if i got the money i would definatly design it for free. or i can wait till im a rich ceo :). Im sirious about the lst part ;).
[ ]SchizophrenicMC
That wouldn't be a a Gundam, that would be a Knightmare Frame, a la Code Geass.
If it's not 60+ feet tall, it's not a Gundam... Okay, 59+ feet.
[ ]SR-71 Black Bird
after rechecking my figures it would be that price for a 8-15ft tall suit.
[ ]Pwnage
hey, im a gundam 00 fan... but i still think it'd be impossible to find anyone who would design one of these for 725 mil in the first place.. i mean, there are so many better things you can accomplish with that much money...
[ ]CODY
I think we could do it for a lot less than that and make it work perfect and to thous who say Gundams are nothing but large targets on the battlefield on an open battlefield yes that may be but think of in a city. Also think of possible construction applications weather it be on earth or in space the U.S. is suppose to build a base on the moon think of how much a MS could help speed up that task and don't even think gundam at first think zaku or along thous lines. basic is where you start you cant jump to the end in time we will have gundams or so but start small robotics gets better and better everyday some thing new happens. don't misunderstand me it will cost alot but not as much as is being discussed here
[ ]MATT
It can not be denied that a Gundam at the level of those on the shows would be pretty much unstopable when put up against anything that is used in ground warfare today, but by the time that even a prototype of that quality was produced I would bet that ground warfare would be outdated. All war in the future ,with any countrys that have power, will probably be solved with threats and nukes (if it got that far) there is no honor in war now days "Sir we have a chance we may lose." "screw it, kill um all!" the only place that it may find use is a battle between a superpower(only places with the money to have such weapons) and third world countrys (the places that superpowers want to control not destroy). so unless there was realy something like an N jammer cancler (from gundam seed) then i do not think that anyone will bother. But I do hope that they will come about, as well as the N jammer because although i dont like war to begin with, I do find the thought of Nukes as very disrespectful and mecha as much more honorable, if that is a thing that anyone beleaves in anymore. So if it does happen there will be many circumstances surounding it not just its production.
[ ]KB
On a side note about cost, the 400KW motors seem to cost more then I would think. A 400KW is the same as a 500-550HP AC motor. The AC motors today can be purchased for about $75K, thats for a vector duty variable torque variable speed motor. Thats list price, wholes sales about .55-.75 multiplier. There would be a handful of support CPU and controllers. The power source could be the M-1 Abrams turbine that puts out 1500KW and is multi-fuel. Still there are weapons of war that have proved their effectiveness and I do not think a gundam would out maneuver and out pace a tank, or chopper. Artillery alone would lay waste to any targets with in they range. Also, the weight problem, can be helped by using shock absorbers when in motion, yet there is still the fact that the mechas entire weight will be distributed all on one foot, during action. In cities that would be not be possible, b/c of city infrastructure, like sewage's, water, power, transit, and even under ground tanks for fuel, water, waste etc. These structures would collapse under the weight. Thats one of the reasons tanks dont go driving down the road in Central Park...lol...take it light.--KB
[ ]john garvey
ive played both armored core gundam and mech warrior and i found for me at least a small agile suit works best in armorcore 4 i made one with the lightest frame removed the shoulder and back weapons and replaced them with booster packs for flight if we could make a suit 10-20 feet tall that weight about the same as a 10 wheeler with a full load it should be able to walk in urban areas but why would you want to fight in a city anyway the win would have to rebuild the damaged structures any way before reclimation could acure anyway. as for laser riffles we have high density cutting beams now why not modify them for weapons and smart guided missles with currant high explosives dont need to be huge 8 -18 inches like a modle rocket or smaller are still effective why not use electric motors and servos for movement or bundle fibers that contract when a current goes threw them like real musles work just and armor plating over them for protection have the suport braces aka bones of the frame have shock obbsorbers in them an m60 is a very effective weapon easly converted for mech use or a home made high cal sniper rifle again light weight but very accurate very destructive with exploding rounds. for genaders they alread have an atto gernade launcher for ops teams why not make it bigger and attach it to the mech a neutron particle generator could power the electronics and has a longgevity to be cost effective using ion perpulsion like the uk T4 MOTOR circa 1990's early 2000 could provide the thrust for flight stablisers could be added for better mobility high efficancy electric motors for ground movement not very fast although some can be if you could get it to move the same speed as human with out the t4 it could be intresting as for the bodt have it articulated like a human in a human body our torso moves as we walk it also carries our vital organs in the mech the piolt could be seated there with the power generator and motor the head should have most of the sensers there multi hd cameras in a 360 degree array around the head and body with radar thermal and other imput could be shown on a huds display ether in the piolots helmit or on screens in the cock pit. i wonder how much miilions it would cost to make. as for motion us motion capture to get the mech to move like a human if it falls down have it be able to roll over and stand up if it can jump and fly why not have it be able to move with ether leg pettals and arm sensers on the piolt to get back up and they dont need to be on al the time only actovate when you fall over or have a swich to manualy actovate them. or even have a preset code so it gets up automaticly using motion capture to have the mech get up balanced and ready to go again.
[ ]sora3218
I believe that we should not use a turbine engine and go with a compact nuclear fusion drive (even though it is still in the process of being built) if use of such a energy source then the gundam can do way more then just walk or even fly. The gundam should use some of the ideas already put forth form other gundam shows as the phase shift armor from seed/seed destiny, which i think would be possible to make. The controls should be half physical manipulation of controls and mental, there is already being work done on the use of the brain for control of a computer by just thinking. I dont see a gundam as a possibility but as it will happen in the next 10-15 years. If not by a government or country but by a person with the will.
[ ]Remi
all i got to say is it would be way awsome if they can make a real one. gundam is better then transformer.
[ ]gouf
s0nicstr1fe just shut your mouth, you ignorant jerk... The mobile suits can't be constructed in real life, at least for now, but most technologies of the Gundam Saga have pratical uses like space colonies, skintight space suits, beam technology...there are many possibilities, ASSHOLE!
[ ]RankaChan
Well, this is just a suggestion. What if we started with just a small Gundam, say, like a little action figure serving as a prototype and put in the IBM,Superconductive motors, Gas turbine engines, etc and see if it works, solve the problems to make it faster, and hover in the air and then work our way up to a to a real - life Gaint Gundam?
~~~~RankaChan~~~
[ ]asdasd
well....if is destrutive the military will probobly buy it...but it sucks...you can't actually shoot laser beam or have a life saber or any other of the crap they do.....and gundam is a large scale thing..so one cannon through the stomach is gone....if they are going to build some weapon it won't look that cool it will just be like a round ball thing that can shoot cannon 360 around.....and gundam won't be so flexible in real life...is hard to control their finger...it is an impossiblee dream...but if japanese are cool enough to build one for show then is cool...hope they build one for parade or show..
[ ]john garvey
they have robot hands and fingers that work faster and better than humans the issue is the ammount of force they use when they grasp objects but they are working on that now
[ ]Jesse
I'm sorry but I don't see a gundam being made anytime soon. Even if it was mechs like in mech warrior would be the most plausable. Yea nanotechnology is to the answer to almost all of it but they can only do so much with what they have. They can't make nano tubes made large scale enough to fill one dental floss container yet... I've always dreamed of building a mech but hey I'm 19 and shoeing horses for a living.
[ ]sora3218
to say somthing is imposinle is to close your mind, to what could happen. Yes there are alot of problems with the gundam and it may take even more then 20 years, but if u know how, shouldn't it be done. But as a huge gundam fan I am, the only real use it was ever designed for was to kill people, no more no less, now tell me could u pull the trigger on someone else? It is really only a weapon. But it CAN be done.
[ ]DJRICH- Just made my first MILLION!
I would join the army if they had gundams or Zoids.
Speakin of Zoids do you guys think its more possible to Build A zoid than a Gundam!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I LOVE BOTH ZOIDS AND GUNDAMS!!!!!!!
[ ]xx02Zangetsu20xx
kk seriously think about this........it would cost a total of four commercial airplanes roughly to build one gundam....but imagine if one was built and then armed with nuclear weapons......in a matter of months the world would be under the control of any one person who controlled a gundam.....and considering the technology we possess today it would not be hard to have such a thing happen.......so I seriously hope someone builds one.....and I know I am the craziest of crazies but I want to pilot it!
[ ]DAniel
I SO EXICITED JAPAN IS BUILDING A GUNDAM, Takayuki Furuta, Director of the Future Robotics Technology Center in Chiba, Japan is building 1!
Check this Link-
[ ]http://gunota.info/index.php/2008/04/05/plans-to-build-a-real-life-60-foot-tall-gundam/
bo
bill gates has enough money and i say build it with a jetpack so it can fly or even hover annnd with guns and lasers
[ ]Robert
Aluminum? Don't be cheap. The Gundam is meant to take hits like a beast, that's the whole reason it's a GunDAM. The real Gundam used "lunar titanium alloy" but I don't think we've done anything with the moon's metals so use real titanium alloy instead (if that's more capable as armor).
[ ]Lynx
Carlos Owens, google it, you'll see what his up to.
[ ]Phase Shift
Talking about armor.....I was curious to some gundam technologies and one that struck me was phase shift armor from Gundam seed. Now of course in Gundam Seed, it was complete BS with the colors, BUT actually in reality Phase Shift Armor is somewhat a reality. The armor is called Electrical Reactive Armor (ERA)
Conventional RPGs, Armor Piercing Rounds, and other "shape charge" munitions derive their destructive power from cones of copper embedded in their noses. When the warhead explodes, it crushes the cone, shooting out a jet of hot copper at 5,000 mph -- instantly destroying anything short of a tank.
This armour is made up of two or more conductive plates separated by some space or by an insulating material, creating a high-power capacitor. In operation, a high-voltage power source charges the armour. When an incoming body penetrates the plates, it closes the circuit to discharge the capacitor, dumping a great deal of energy into the penetrator, which may vaporize it or even turn it into a plasma, significantly diffusing the attack. The copper ions from the Armor piercing rounds are positive so the electrons from the capacitor will basically neutralize the copper. The amount of energy it takes to maintain this ERA is actually about as much energy it takes to turn on your car on a cold day. There are more details here: http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2002/08/54641
[ ]SchizophrenicMC
That's not the Phase Shift principle, that's the Reactive Armor principle.
Phase Shift works by running a current through a nano-particle layer on the armor. When physical objects strike the super-hardened nano-particle layer, no damage is caused because of the harder properties of this layer. However, if a high-energy object, such as a particle beam, contacts it, it disrupts the current and the particles can't defend against it.
In theory, the physics back it up, but it has yet to be tested or applied.
[ ]SolitarySwordsman
I think with today's technology, we're still too far behind to create a full-working/fighting gundam. And with all honnesty, I think building a Gundam in aluminium is absolutely ridiculous. We might as well do it in cardboard.
[ ]That being said, for better stability and improved mobility, I would rather go for the Bacow's structure. (from Gundam Seed) with its 4 legs, it wouldn't require so much balancing, would eliminate the danger of having it falling over, and having a near-1 Billion$ *Ka-Boom*
Personally, I think until we can figure out Thermal-Energy Weapon Technology, building a Gundam would be no better than building a stand-up tank.
Zekk67
The cost is according to present cost. As we all know prices of certain parts do get cheaper over time. However, I do not believe we will ever see a working gundam in our lifetime or our children's lifetime. And to those who claims to be the first to pilot a gundam, wait in line. There are millions of people who wants that job and all of them are lining up behind me! lolz
[ ]god
rasa gundarium already exists its actual name is titanium or luna titanium we got that on earth and possibly in outer space and it uses hilium type 3 as as it's fuel found on earth naturally and on jupiter
[ ]Lalo
I'm working on Blue Prints for a Mobile Suit And Let Me tell you; The world does not yet have the technology to fully complete one of these machines. With the way the world is right now, we can probably fund money to get one started and put some people back to work, then maybe it would help stimulate the economy to further our technological research and acquire the proper knowledge to fulfill one. It would be ridiculous if our world did turn to Mobile Mobile Suits for acts of war.
[ ]Spengler
Dont'be naive, plz.
1) money are not a problem. as long as the military are involved, whatever amount of money will be affordable. Also Japanese would spend whatever amount to create a real robot: they have been spending BILLIONS each year to research robot construction and they won't stop for any reason.
2) early prototypes of neurohelmets have popped out lately. sooner or later we'll be able to control any machine with our sheer thoughts. obviously the perfect machine to move would be a replica of our body. a walking robot with human features would be an incredibly powerful weapon.
Maybe there's no need to have it 18 meters tall, but I bet someone is gonna make a real Gundam sooner or later!
[ ]Shinsei
18 metros^^
Esse e so para comemorar o aniversario de Gundam,ouvi boatos q o exercito japones estao criando um sistema gundam e o proprio Gundam para defesa do pais,e tambem vao usar para outros meios !!!!!!!!
[ ]shadow
hey guys how do you know that a gundam would work if we made it. it would not be a gundam it would be a mech ,which is all ready made, half the shit for a gundam is not made yet .
[ ]JSCesium
The power source of Gundams was never gasoline based, they used nuclear reactors.
[ ]Zero
that's close 2 the truth but its actually a fictional type of generator called "monovsky ultra-compact" but man don't let the govt lie 2 ya my step dad used 2 work at C.T.F. and a guy there made an actual perpetual generator! sure it was big "like the size of a school bus, but it could produce enough power 2 power itself and a small city, why wasn't it released 2 public? a govt trusted company told the creator if he didn't sell the patent they would kill him, why would they kill him? because it woulda put a large electric company out of business so he sold it 2 save himself :/ all its about is money..........
[ ]Michael
this is just a weapon for wars making them in the first place is a wrong thing...
making a gundam is just like building a weapon they can be used for wars just because they are big and only 1 gundam is needed to kill... hope people in life don't build this for bad use
[ ]Zero
well if it was created it wouldn't be used often at that size, and besides wars happen man and if we had a gundam like described im sure noone would wanna fight us 1. cuz a real gundam is nearly unstoppable and 2. im sure lots of countries wouldnt wanna see us go full scale war *especially knowing we got money like that*
[ ]black7
It sounds like fun to me just the thought of making one would be worth seeing it actually work, though I agree using it for creating war would be wrong, but would come in handy if someone thought about attacking us...
but instead of having walk on legs and feet solve the problem by putting it on tracks to desperse the weight and load it with a butt load of weapons. Just my opinion..
[ ]Ugore
OK OK..a lot of people have made strong points but the possibility of a REAL gundam is not as far fetched as we think. Most of those opposed to the idea had 1 thing in common. They said that there would be no application for a 60ft tall robot. While I agree 60 feet is tall, I must say that the applications for it would be enormous. For example, On the battlefield, lets use a tank vs a Gen I "Mobile Suit". The first thing engineers would want out of their mobile suit is speed. Lets say that the mobile suit maintains speeds of 45-65mph(running), The tank would have to be hitting a moving target. Also, chances are that the countermeasures found on the mobile suit would be the latest tech thus giving it an advantage over the ground forces found on the battlefield, meaning, the pilot would be aware of the tanks on the battlefield. And PLEASE remember that just because were talking about a gundam doesnt mean they would send it by itself against a battalion ok..it would be assisted by other friendly forces just like ground forces have backups today. There would be tanks, jets, helicopters, infantry, and drones all assisting this 60ft beast. and as a strategist, let me be the first to tell you that if there is any purpose for the gundam on the battlefield it is at least to be the target of attention. ALL of the enemy forces would try to take it out first meaning the gundams friendly forces would have ease in hitting their targets. So to say that a mobile suit serves no purpose other then a bill is totally wrong..the country with 1 or 2 of these things would cause other countries to shit their pants
that was for the purpose of a gundam. Now lets talk about how close we would be to building a good mobile suit. I would say, with the technology that we have now both public and secret, we could accomplish a mobile suit that's about 25-30ft much like a nightmare frame or an AC(armored core unit) As im typing this, there are live application of next generation helmets with HUD's like what we saw in GI JOE, also for about 2 daces, we've had in action the motion helmet like what is found on the apache in which the pilots head moves the camera as well as the gun. Russia has developed radar that can detect the raptor, japan has developed Bi-Pedal robots , China has developed, CPU's with next gen AI...METALS being used in next gen armor such as the Titanium-Zirconium alloys, Reactive armor, Next gen Countermeasures like what the army is researching for the Merkava IV Tank Defence System which can be read at http://www.army-technology.com/news/news61476.html
All thats left is energy source. WE have tons of applications. Remember that we are just trying to build a mobile suit, so space use can come at a later time, but for now, we could use small,nuclear powerplants like what the next gen abrams are supposedly gonna be using(rumor) or use the motors as described
Now PLease Please dont thnk that our mobile suit will be anything like in the anime...now ay can we make a mobile suit that can do a cartwheel and quickly duck behind a building..lets leave that for anime...in a real world application they would move like zakus did in early gundam shows
As for training....theres already small aplications thay companies are using even for recreational purposes such as http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x38lcl_senjo-no-kizuna-banpresto-gundam
Imagine a military purpose or construction purpose..they could tweak those simulators easily..
All thats left is the monetary value...is it worth building such expensive items...YES it is. We as americans already spend 1.5 billion per B2...another half billion just on maintenance...and we never see these things flying..we spend 300 million a MONTH on refueling and rearming our boys over there in Iraq alone...so money is not an issue..if theres a will theres a way...
P.S any 1 know how to get in on those sims? they are in japan
[ ]Zero
yea either go 2 japan or search 4 an emulator (if they make em 4 gundam pod) and play it on your computer, im sure you could spend some money and but a real one also Mr Big Spender lol ;)
[ ]Nobody
You know... Gundams might be needed for space missions... Like a mission to explore Mars... with a gundam, not only will it be safer, it will gurantee a successful mission.... plus with a gundam, it will speed up the process of building a station in martian atmosphere or within mars for future space travels and colony. Scientists and people alike have always wondered what it would be like to send humans to Mars, and the only obstacle they have is the safety of the astronauts since it's been proven that space travel from earth to mars can take only months to no more than 2 years if the timing is perfect. With a gundam, entry to martian atmosphere and exploration within mars will be gurateed a success and the safety of the astronauts/pilots/explorers will not be jeopardize since gundams are resilient to dust/sand storms that ravage Mars.
If the whole mission is a success, money will be worth wasted on building Gundams... and we all know that in the future when humans can actually live beyond earth... war between planets are inevitable, just like war between nations... and a Gundam is a perfect weapon for wars such as this, be it on land, air, sea, or space.
[ ]Zero
this $724,310,000 dollar business is a crock of shit, I've studied gundam, robotics, machinery,weaponry,computer coding and metal working for over 15 years, I've created so many blueprints and designs for the RX-78-2 and many other MS its unbelievable and i can honestly say that could make a gundam with all the bells and whistles for about $2,500,000 (now say the G-vot shouldnt make 1) and a reduced size version for $250,000 that could be piloted by a complete idiot. if anyone wants to know how a gundam really works msg me at
[ ]danielmelton0@yahoo.com or danielmelton0@myspace.com
pilot of hi nu gundam
hello there. theres a big possibility that gundams maybe possible in the future. first the mechanics, there is material that invented called carbon nanotubes it is 1000 times stronger than the steel and 100 times lighter. it is also immune from melting and generating heat friction which is good material for armor,inner frame and joints. second the energy, the machine like gundam requires a great amount of energy the good source is matter-antimatter collision. when matter and antimatter collide it creates great amount of energy 10 order of magnitude greater than chemical energy. the energy is so great that even gundam can move very quickly like we seen in the anime series. but only the carbon nanotubes can handle that the steel will only melt and heavines is a burden. another solution is fusion reactor.this machine works like GN drives in gundam oo series. but it use to fused two element to create energy.another solution is a hadron collider built in europe a machine that accelerates particles and collides at extremely high speed. the purpose for this is to break down those particles to find more simplier particles. in theory the simplier particle is called "higgs boson" this energy source may be feasible to be implemented on a gundam however such source has not yet found.third problem is computing. when piloting a gundam you must have a computer that recieves information about invironment,elevation,temperature,stored energy,upcoming target, homing/lock on,monitoring internal invironment,the pilots staus,velocity,etc. we probably need a quantum computer. in present time IBM scientist have done some of the of the most complicated computer but not enough for a gundam but in the future it maybe possibe.so mechanics,money,energy,comuting,materials. once this 5 is solved gundams are no longer a fantasy.
[ ]ugore
nice responses..ZERO ur an idiot..no one would ride that 2 million dollar crap..what would u pick? testing a porshe or testing a hyudai
[ ]pilot of hi nu gundam
Mr ugore. 2 million dollar is nothing if if we talk about real Gundam. which is capable of taking down America's most powerful jet plane worth 25 billion each. in fact even if there is numerous jet planes. they are no match against single gundam which only worth 2 million
[ ]Zero
obviously your the kind of guy who would blow his entire paycheck on a penis enlargement because the fact that hes either small,sexually retarded,or cant get his wife off. Really which do u think is gonna last longer in a firefight, a faggot IBM computer or a good chunk of steel? yes gundam is expensive and yes its very technical when you think about it but ill take withstanding the test of time anyday. in the military its not what looks pretty it what gets the job done ppl like you are proby the reason there is no gundam, because cant get all the fortune and fame out of their rectum long enough 2 realize that the military isnt gonna take something catchy and pretty "they want something useful that will save the good guys and erase the bad ones. ive loved gundam ever since i can remember, i loved em so much i now have $1000 dollars worth of merchandise in gundam (i ate, drank, and slept gundam) but if i wouldnt say gundam is the most likely candidate 4 creation this day in time, if anything it would be the "Ausf D Durer" see http://www.einhander.org/imagenes/Galeria/ac_gallery/BINPACK5_004.jpg which is about the size of a panzer and is equipped with a 20mm Vulcan cannon, 120mm cannon, rear vertical firing medium missiles x20, forward firing heat mini dispersal missiles x30, shoulder mounted SAM/SSM/ASM missle pack x21, and 2 top it off a hi output lazer for anti missile defense! all this about 10-15 tons including the fact that it can move superbly thanks 2 a bipedal hovercraft system which allows awesome maneuverability! but not only does this have awesome firepower but also can take a huge beating thanks 2 plated steel and a special thing im developing called "nitrofoam" which renders it impervious HEAT rounds all over it! its lazer system can be used 4 defense purposes (disabling missiles) as well as offensive purposes (cutting in half the plane that fired it) so 2 recap, its a highly stable maneuverable, mobile, missile/anti missile/anti infantry/anti tank/anti aircraft/anti warship/anti structure! (hovercraft-tank missile battery) that can travel by land or sea or air *in short distances* and be piloted by a complete retard because every move you make "it does" which allows 4 no training saving billions of dollars! and 2 answer you question bout the cars "id test drive a porshe but id own a hyndai" and thank you "PILOT OF HI NU GUNDAM"
[ ]Vuuk
Your an Asswhole. Dont get your panties in a bunch. People who are resourcefull for finding other ways to make somthing is what builds greatness. Because it futhers the process of making the real thing. Sucsess is built on failures. Rome wasnt built in a day. The AK-45 wasnt pulled out of someone ass, there was older mech-guns that it proceded. As so will the invention of Mechas. They will start off as everything did. As prototypes. Ambition. You dont have it. STFU>FO
[ ]Zero
please understand that when someone attacks me, my ambitions, and or Gundam, you asking for a fight, he commented negatively, so i commented back. I do agree on what you say though there are revisions that would have 2 be made but i have made plenty, as i have said i have worked on this for years, "education" on this subject is not something you can provide no matter how much you would like to, and ambition is something i "do" have, im not a 10 yr old child fiddling with toys in his basement, i am a 19yr old man with a job a car and a 20+ person team that works in advanced robotics, weapons production, machinery, and programming, one of them is working with me from the university of Cairo "im not some guy that sits on his ass and claims greatness, i work for it, so ambition? !CHECK!"
[ ]hi there
i think it more possible for use to build MSER-04 Anf or the MSJ-06II-A for the human reform league from Gundam 00
[ ]Zero
PLEASE COMMENT THE PREVIOUS AND THANK YOU ;)
[ ]SchizophrenicMC
Steel is probably a forgone cause with a mobile suit, but titanium is stronger, lighter, and has a higher melt point. But, I don't see components just melting through joint friction.
Carbon nanotube may be stronger, but at this time, production of the material is too impractical for such large-scale constructions. Besides, Carbon Nanotube has the advantage of being stronger in terms of tensile strength, but its compression strength is lacking, and it's more brittle, overall. If a projectile strikes a carbon nanotube surface, it creates cracks, which can eliminate the entire surface's protection, plus it can cause chunks to jam the mechanism. Metal armor, on the other hand, will warp and melt, but it won't cause the total destruction of the armor surface. Think of it like high-carbon steel being more brittle, but harder.
To the note of power, the original Gundam used a "Minovsky-type Fusion Reactor." It was a small fusion reactor mounted in the torso that was built after the discovery of the Minovsky particle, which was instrumental in the creation of reactors that could withstand the neutron bombardment within the device for extended periods. It used an I-field,to contain them, but I digress. Such discoveries have yet to be made.
All in all, Gundam is an unlikely mecha for production, but a simplified Valkyrie or a destroid from Macross or the like would be more likely.
I want to say this: everyone who keeps saying "do this" to the Gundam to make it a reality is simply making it less than a gundam. It would be some strange chicken walker from some of the posts I've read. That's fine and all, but please, don't call it a Gundam. I grew up on Gundam, and it hurts to see such things referred to like that... :(
[ ]zero
LMAO "chicken walker!!!!" :D ahahahahaaa!!!! omg my sides!!! dude i kno what u mean with some of these ppl, jus cuz they watched it all thier lives they think it makes em smart in mechanical design.....PLEEZ PPL! dont screw with gundam unless you have knowledge or you'll end up shaming the thing you love most.
[ ]Ugore
ZERO!!!! does this site warn you when a post is made?
[ ]Zero
nope, can you see where is says i last commented in comparison 2 the post's date? that's a long time wouldn't you say?
[ ]Vuuk
Cool story Bro.
[ ]Youfan
If it doesn't make using Gundanium, then we cannot call it a Gundam... :(
It should be powered by a micro Nuclear Reactor Engine also... :cry:
Anyway, I'll surely donate the project Gundam if it's worth to build... Even if it's only a cent... So do the millions of OTAKUs out there I'm sure... :|
[ ]gamedboy
It would be really cool! Someone should also build the battleship to house the gundams.
[ ]Ryune
Dream On and Keep Fantasizing!! :p
Still long way to go...
The closest one might the exoskeleton/mech warrior wanna be within Avatar's movie or probably the first Alien's movie.
Geezz...Gundam...do we have colonies within outer space yet? :p
[ ]deviltaker
hey i know how make a colonies in outer space but it would take me some time and i alreay know ho to make andoids
[ ]Jin
Hmmm what I think is that Gundam's should be built right about now because what if the other nations have already done so. They could plane an attack on this country about 20-30 years later which in any case we are already powerless to stop them. Which old military weapons wouldn't do any good damage to these moblie suits unless you decide to use a nuke which would be last resource.
Although making the weapons for these mobile suits like "Beam Saber's" and "Beam Rifle's"... it's gonna take time in life if you want it to be as powerful as it looks in the anime... but other then that making normal weapons would be like cake. All you have to do is get the design from weapons of now days and make a bigger size.
Other then that, maybe mobile suit's can actually make building strucures easyer for us too! They'll beable to move heaveyer objects around that things now days wouldn't beable to do.
Anyway I'll love to pilot one of these mobile suits in life someday! Live your life to the fullest and make all your dreams become reality!!!
[ ]Developer
First things first. Referring to the our current technology and other resources, a mobile suit/walker (not a Gundam) could be possible, but it would be equivalent to a powered armor similar to that of the Japanese HAL 5 (look it up in Google) or Land Walker. Although technology can be pushed to make it more compact, efficient and etc, tactically its role can be only that of scouts (if the problem of mobilty is solved due to its bulky legs), or infantry fire support units, since it is smaller in size and can carry a hefty amount of ammnition. Besides that fact, I agree with some points said by Jin that these can be used for construction, etc.
But, the fact remains that Gundams, in a sense, would take years, decades and even centuries just to properly produce a combat efficient one. Gundams, in its entirety, may not come in the time yet, but maybe in the next generations.
[ ]nando
Yo.
[ ]this is not a waste of money!
the change in technology throught the years is not a waste of money.
as we go through the years technologys got to change somtime.
anyways if they did make one.
ut would be good to fight in space in =stead of hurting people on earth in places we have war.
the GOV. can always make more money!
SO FUCK U U DAM BASTARD!
GO suck ONE!
Ugore
Zero, U must understand that even tho theres cheaper jets that can take out more expensive jets, the time it takes to find that expensive jet and the weapon it will take to bring it down changes the ballgame
[ ]Zero
it all has 2 do with experience, not the size of your weapon, apparently ppl never watched the 0079 series of gundam and how amuro got his ass kicked by chars zaku but then amuros newtype abilities awakened and strengthened the gundam, lets say you have a finger on a button 2 launch a nuke directly at me, but i have a .22 pistol with a low powered round chambered in it pressed directly 2 your temple, "just because your weapon costs more doesnt mean im not gonna out a bullet in your brain before you can launch the nuke at me"
[ ]Ugore
lol his "newtype" abilities awakened....
thats like me saying my superhuman reflexes awake and now im a badass ninja..its not experience..he got the advantage plain and simple hehe
good to hear from u zero
the nuke and gun comparison are totally seperate from each other...I wouldnt launch a nuke just to get rid of U....and with my newtype abilites id dodge that bullet hehe
[ ]Zero
lmao, most agreed, but you have 2 understand, the gundam was an awesome suit for its time, but amuro was a lacking pilot, char kicked the gundams ass more than once but as amuro got better so did zeonic suits, there is clearly more diversity in zeonic suits, than E.F.S.F. but what E.F.S.F. lacked in diversity they more than made up for in sheer firepower, durability, and usability, considering there wasn't many suits 2 learn how 2 pilot, making it easy 2 train ppl on a short term basis( im not completely sure what we are trying 2 get across 2 one another but im assuming its a cost 2 worth ratio) still we have 2 start out small model XXX0-W0 (wing zero custom) wasn't created off first it was a derivative of years of gundam research and the very first model RX-78-2(gundam)the beauty and art of the wing zero custom is not achieved thru excessive cost, but research, hard work, and many cases of trail and error, please understand just making things cost alot doesn't make them better (although i will agree more money 2 work with does make it easier 2 realize as a reality)
[ ]ugore
heya Z hows it going
Zero
pretty good im going 2 take my entry exams at college as we speak
Ironman
The pricing is totally off! Why would I buy entire helicopters just to take apart their engines?! I bet you could build it for half the quoted price.
This estimate must have come from a government contractor.
[ ]batman
yo this woulb be tight and stop bbitchin to us nerds i happen to have a shit load of money thanks to dad i wouldnt mind spending it on this and im shore if we decreased the size by 30 feet it would at least cost 120 million and yeah start up that charity fund raiser and nasa is poor they arent gettin enough government money.
[ ]hello
hello my name is riddick i have a gpa of 3.2 and my majors at stanford are bioengineering and enginering i curently have 158000 dollars for the prodject and i am curently worling on its hydrolics and eletrical system but i will not have enough money to finish and im trying to find a energy source other than fossil fuels any suggestions?
[ ]ugore
nice...this sounds like a good time to recruit u as my mad scientist!
[ ]Jemery Yonson
Yes I totally agree if Bill Gates wanted to he could make a whole squadron of Gundams I would pilot one I've got 20/10 vision great reflexes and my some of my ancestors were pilots in WW1 and WW2 I think if there were Gundams we could use them more then for wars but for build things such as ships bases alot easier I'm not a nerd BTW but we could someday make space colonies and I think we should make Gundams to make those think of it if , we humans tried making something as big as a space-colony by are selves it would take years but if we were to produce gundams we could do it we could live on mars we could just live in space but think of it we could make the first prototype in a couple of years or maybe even months like but before we make the prototype make smaller versions to see if they will even work and if they don't work we'll try something different I want to see this happen if humanity can do this were talking about are future as humans leave mother earth, its like leaving home to go to college we can come back once in a while but we can have are own place to live. Who's with me!!!
[ ]ugore
I would be your rival because i have 20/10 vision and I have good reflexes and cognitive perception.
I would be the devil in sky to my enemies...make the red baron be a child compared to me...BRING IT...
oh and my gundam would only have 1 gun and 2 lightsaber swords
[ ]Zero
i have a schematic for a hydrogen perpetual energy generator of my own design, u might wanna try compressed hydrogen reactors or watch a documentary on "Nickola Tesla" it seems 2 expand my find whenever i look at what he did and seems 2 give me a wider perspective on all things related 2 energy
[ ]Ugore
Nice Z
How big of engine is ur design?
contact me at drobin@verio.net
[ ]riddicks friend
hey man so u are still working on it i am too yo you need to come back home so we can work on it together man i will text you later and anybody who wants to help contribute that would be great email me universeindust@aol.com
[ ]Meatyloops
i wannna see this in space
[ ]the people's voice
wow all of you have really good ideas for a mobile suit. please contact me I am planning something in the works for humanity not governments
[ ]humandefense175@gmail.com
Xynsis
I actually plan on building some sort of gundam, I am going to go for aerospace engineering in college this year to try and achieve my dream.
[ ]Ugore
Nice let me be your test pilot. Seriously, I want to be test pilot for any projects
[ ]God
It need lot of robotic engineers and phisyc professors (for power source).
[ ]But i will learn biology. :D Sorry for my bad english.
1jzsupra
I've thought about building a 20ft mech and dressing it up like a zaku II. sure, it's not legit, but how bad ass would that be? show up at work/school/friends house, "Hey, this is my new ride, u mad?" I mean, the mechanics behind it aren't that hard, especially using hydraulics instead of high powered electric motors, which i work with daily, cuts down on the power supply needed and some weight. Sure, the cockpit wouldn't be right, but it would operate just about the same. Hmmm, i've got a cad program, maybe some designing is in order....
[ ]aasdafwe
I think first need build powered exoskelleton. (the size of human). After arround a 6-10 meter high mecha. A BIG gundam is too high to fight.
[ ]aasdafwe
I want bouild a small mecha (6-10 m), but in my country there is no robotics in university. :(
[ ]sorry for my bad english
Ugore
too small...needs to be at least 20m
[ ]Ugore
ive been doing some research and a fusion reactor would be great inside a mobile suit. would last a very long time and its not nuclear.
check out http://science.howstuffworks.com/fusion-propulsion1.htm
Also, for the armor, I was thnkn, depleted Uranium and also titanium copper for the green sections of the body(fingers, hydraulic tubings) and such...
Guys when I say im serious about making this a possibility, i mean it..even if i have to sell my soul to the devil(us gov) if it will help acomplish our goals then oh well.
[ ]Boeroe67
Im with you....i would give my life for this+ i am serious about this to...
[ ]hi there
me to
[ ]aasdafwe
20 m is too tall. I think if the gundam will be too high, that will easy to shoot by enemys, and will move very slow. The gundams will be better as "heavy armored soilders".
[ ]aasdafwe
And there are some powered exoskeletons research. (looks like mecha, just in human size.) The Japanese HAL-5, and the US Sarcos XOS.
[ ]Ugore
the point of it being 20 M is the whole purpose of having bullseye on it. thnk of a tank. They are one of the biggest deterrents in a battle. WHen you see one, unless you have the firepower to take it out, you RUN
and if you do have the firepower to take it out, u focus on it. doing so causes the ground troops to move freely and continue mission
[ ]Lulushonor
I am here to state for the record and all who will read this I am an Air Force cadet. I am an aerospace engineer and my biggest dream is to build a nightmare or gundam like frame to help in the colonization of the moon. I am on the new shuttle project under NASA and I will build the frame within the next 30-35 years we have the tech and the blueprints (if you will) and I will pilot the frame. The biggest problem is the power source but we do have a few choices that could work we just have to test them. So to all who will be alive in 3 or 4 decades we will have gundam/nightmare frames out there maybe not for war tho...NGR
[ ]Ugore
45yrs is too far out...we have the tech for something feasable within the next 15-20 yrs. its the dedication and funding that is needed.
[ ]Boeroe67
The biggest problem is the power source........
[ ]maybe that they could look in to Nuclear power......its still gonna be a problem to find the right energy source...how about the frame? Will it hold in space? Research on space is critical here...and what about the outside? wont it freeze up?
plz Reply...thanks ;)
Intersect
GN Drives of course ;)
[ ]Obeyme
I will build gundams, and conquering the world. With this, everywhere will be peace. :D
[ ]Boeroe67
Do you think that the wright brothers ever taught that in the future there would ever be an sr-71 Blackbird? Cmon guys...we can all argue about Gundams but i really think in the future there will be giant robots..it doesnt have to be a gundam or have GN Particles.
[ ]But what you can say is that we don't know what will happen in the future...already there working on robots/droids whatever. Now im not saying that it will be done in 10/20/30 years its gonna take some time to build this and i think that we all wont be here to withness that, technology keeps improving itself..... you never know...
Ugore
Cold Fusion....I have been doing research for last 4 months into the matter...
Im thinkng that beryllium is the key..you see beryllium, expels neutrons at such a fast rate when engergized..and the famous cold fusion experiment that failed in 1989 produced energy but there was no fusion due to it not being enough neutrons..
I think that if we were to add beryllium, and change the casing from stainless steel to another form of bonding metal, its acheivable....im trying to get an experiment under way BUT heavy water for deuterium is $$$$
[ ]1121121123
The battle droids from star wars will be good to. Millions of battle droids :D
[ ]Big Stewie
Big Stewie Say!!! "GUNDAM RULE" that is all.
[ ]Mister
If They Could Make A Gundam! Why Are They Not Making Spaceships? -_-
[ ]Blizzard
everyone should write letters to the government asking them, no telling them/requiring them to build mobile suit gundams like those from g gundam, make psa's, form giant street walks for it, and tell the goverment to build a special facuility dedicated just to making gundams, and have it be part of the air force, mass produce them at once (it would be cheaper because you would be buying the parts in bulk), and as for funding, just get it from the source of how they get funding for any government project, take it out of taxes, or create a new tax for it, so it would be social security, disibility, gundam ^__^
[ ]ugore
hey guys, although I have 0 experience and plasma, I have done a great amount of research.
I want to build a nice engine powered by plasma with the use of magnetic waves, I also want to dab in cold fusion. I am writing my senator and some rich engineers who I know would love to invest. I need to create a team. I need 3 physicists, 3 chemists, 2 engineers...my job would be to throw ideas at you guys and get the investors....
P.S - this is all freelance with coordination via web or email or webcam, also, you dont need to have PHD..lets make this happen
my email is djclue2030@msn.com
[ ]1a2b
I want a gundam. lets build some. (i cant help to build, because i will learn biology).
[ ]hi there
than how about making a organization like the celestial being in gundam 00
[ ]with all of us coming together and donate in a little, also get every one to major in every field that is need to make gundam more of today
snake
IF THEY BUILD ONE... WE SHOULD START A WORLD WAR 3! 700 MILLION DOLLARS WILL BE WASTED! IF IT IS JUST FOR DISPLAY! WORLD WAR 3!..WORLD WAR 3!....WORLD WAR 3!....
[ ]Karuki
Well.. If one is created, There will be Zeon. There will be The Federation. The world goes to turmoil..
[ ]snake
THEY SHOULD START BUILDING ONE WORL WAR 3 IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN! NORTH vs. SOUTH! KOREA! BUT JAPAN WILL WIN :)) BEC OF THIS!
[ ]ugore
anybody got a rich dad or mom or project $$ that wants to build a mobile suit or even a shuttle?
[ ]asdasdasd
A gundam will be good, but i were happy, if a get a laser/plasna handgun. :D. And that is more cheaper. :)
[ ]ugore
Hi all I need help writing a perfect paper to my senator regarding funding for a project. I would like to use spare parts of jets or a jet engine to build a ship with.
[ ]sf3
Ugore here:
"Dear Senator,
[ ]gimme 100.000. billion $ to build a big mecha. Thatnks"
KKKC
Hello all, I am me. I'd like to ask all of you guys a question: how old are you? I wanna know what the typical age of a Gundam fanatic is. You see, I am a huge fan of Gundam 0079, Zeta, 08th MS Team and so on (except seed and 00), but I'm just 13... Has this upset anyone? Sorry if it has. I may be too young to understand true Gundam...
[ ]asda221
KKKC,
Im 19 years old. But i saw only the gundam seed first 50 episodes.
[ ]ugore
NEED enthusiasts that want to build a mobile suit!
[ ]Nate
I'm late by a year or so?...but im down. Message man
Nate (|(\
[ ](^_^)
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KKKC
Thanks man. Watch the 08th MS Team. I highly recommend it. It only has 12 episodes. To asda221
[ ]anoziizle
Gundam seed i the best gundam anime made just to inform u
[ ]CJ
Gundam Seed is not the best Gundam anime seems like a rip of UC mixed with a bit of Wing.
[ ]hi there
i think gundam wing and gundam 00 is better but seed is still good
[ ]anoziizle
Why dont we advance these to use in war?!?!?!?!?!?!?1
[ ]CelestialBeing!
I really like the concept of a GN drive and the solar power system around the planet in Gundam 00. I think a Gundam would be easier to construct if it utilized something that does not exist yet (something similar to GN particles) that way we would not have to worry much about the weight and cost of all the small engines and power supplies around the mobile suit. As far as mobile suits go, the Flag Fighter units look possible for construction since it's basically a flight only mobile suit (So it's basically a giant transforming Jet plane). Regardless a giant Robot would probably not be too conventional though it would be AWESOME!!!
[ ]hi there
i think that the Flag Fighter is more possible
[ ]and in gundam 00 they use a quantum computer to help out the pilot
Me
Look, it's okay that they want to build a robot. But I'd kinda expect them to aim for a Zaku II or GM to begin with. Heck, I'd be satisfied with seeing a real Sutherland from Code Geass. It would still be a basic mech, and it wouldn't even need the ability to move its legs very well, as the Sutherland drives on the ground using Land Spinners, AKA rollerblades for a 4.5 meter tall mecha.
[ ]Creative Genius
Personally, I think it's theorecticly possible to construct a mobile suit of this nature although i would not choose this design it's just.......i don't know cheesy i think a more recent design from Gundam seed or maybe a Zaku would be better i mean honestly would you walk around in a machine that looks like it just came out of the 80's? Granted it could just step on any smart mouth that gets in it's way but i'm pretty sure i'm not the only one that thinks that.
[ ]Solo
Me thinks this isn't exactly correct. $52 mil. PER Apache engine? Even the standard Apache Longbow Helicopter at its most expensive tops 25 million, and that's with all the electronics, avionics, materials, etc. For a single engine, try $328,000....
Recalculated to REALISTIC terms, the price drops to only $363 million! What a bargain!
[ ]ugore
guys i am dead serious, we can easily get funding(up to 1 mil) if we do a project together. i live in south florida and im am so down to go out and get investors
[ ]ugore
lets get some investors, email me at djclue2030@msn.com
[ ]ad23idaswgwg23424232
I will make a gundam, and coqueor the world. Everybody will be my slave. Muhahahahamuhahahaaha
[ ]ugore
someones trying to make a gundam movie:
http://io9.com/#!5794109/a-conspiracy-movie-about-gundam+style-mechs-and-cloning-set-in-a-dystopian-future
[ ]IceGhost
LOL I didnt even get halfway down the page and I got tired of reading the arguments and suggestions. IF I MAY MAKE ONE MYSELF. Think back to U.C. 0079. Zeon were the first to make (or even attempt) a "mobile suit". And as im sure any Gundam fan knows. The Zaku I (more so the prototype Zaku I) was nerfed early on into sheer uselessness when Zaku II was built. THE POINT BEING. Why must we start with such a high standard in mind? Seriously... Gundam from the get go? THE RX-78-2?? start with a more "simplistic" design as others have said. I took what little comments I read into consideration. Build something that isn't looked so highly upon as Gundam. Take the zeon approach. Zaku I (or even Zaku II) built with what ever will hold it up and build for range in mind. Some people might recall Zaku II can be equipped with a Megalla Top Cannon (a 30-35m cannon with an ammo cap of 30). If u disagree with this idea then my fallback idea is this. Try Guntank. tank treads. Low cost cause you would be able to take out a lot of the stuff needed for a legged suit. All you would need instead is 2x 270m railcannon's or something similar, and of course ammo. anyone else second?? send me email if you want gen.shadow [@] yahoo.com
[ ]APPLE RAY
well first things first we need mobile suits for testing and further development. i vote on RGM's and GM's ;) hell or even Leo's
[ ]hi there
GM
[ ]Ugore
Hi guys, I am planning on applying for 3 grants(hopefully 1 goes through) with the possibility of getting a good amount for research.
These grants range from $12,000 to 4million
Before I make the proposal, I would like to create a team of amateur experts. I will need 2 aspiring mechanical engineers, 1 computer engineer, and 1 or 2 aspiring physicists.
This is for real so please contact me at djclue2030@msn.com
[ ]((dadddy
Ugore, if you really want to build one, you need at least 50 engineers, and 100 million USD. :(
[ ]hi there
that the point of get everyone together so we can solve the issue money and man power
[ ]an organization
ugore
well ive got some ideas for fusion..anyone want to share ideas email me at djclue2030@msn.com
[ ]Sebastian Cast
I think we should build an RX-79 ground type Gundam from the 08th MS Team series!! But first I think we should build Zaku's and go from there.
[ ]dzcrazy
Building and gundam or even a more basic model is quite possible. I'm 16 and would be willing to help however possible for research or building. Deciding if I might start building one in a few years or sooner, starting with the legs and how to get the balance right. The legs seem like the prime issue to me. Email me if you want. Dzcrazy@gmail.com
[ ]Dulin N. Ebanks
amazing also they do not include arm operations does the arms work and how does it maintain stability. I am guessing a real gundam will have to be $10 billion to weaponize.
[ ]Dulin N. Ebanks
they should work on gundam ball robot first that they can build under 1 million and that is how the gundams started. I have water emch designs for $100,000 due to less propulsion requirements for the ocean. If they designed a aquatic mobile suit it will be cheaper. I did a report on mechs and that was one of my findings.
[ ]No Face
Too bad building amazing things is restricted because we lack money. Being able to fight with robots like the one above would be such an advancement--if enough was funded to create a completely functional one.
[ ]XXX
I disagree with the cost granted my construction methods would very for the above mentioned and i havent actually taken the time to add up the cost but first the main computer would be contructed diffrent, the materials would very and most of the work would be done by me but i do beleve it would be possable to create such a weapon with a far less cost
[ ]airbon101
i personally feel that gundam is the best weapon of all. one of this can take out a whole bunch of thanks and aircraft. so what if its expensive? building a gundam is like having the ultimate weapon...although this gundam is abit exaggerating, we can built the zaku? GM? the more realistic ones with have machine guns instead of lasers...
[ ]matthew m
the machine guns would cost too much because of the amo and the size of the gun and bullets
[ ]matthew m
a mobile suit is usefull but only in space at this because of the cost and no weapons could be made for it at this time it would be used for building in space and it will be along time before we are ready to start building mobile suits and living our lives in space
[ ]airbon101
MS are the best weapon... i feel it is a good investment for the country. if the country is willing to spend like billions of dollars over tanks... they should reconsider MS as one of these big machine can take out a bunch of tanks...and MS can also help in researching in space? helping NASA to build a small space station on the moon...
[ ]Blizzard
ok ok ok...., so i have been reading though all of these posts and and i think that it is a great idea. And as for the ways to get funding for it, everyone on this site should get 10 friends (meaning people who don't post on this site), and each one of them grabs 10 friends and so on etc., and each person rights 2 letters each to their mayor, 2 letters each to their state, 2 letters each to the federal government and 2 letters each for the perseident. In these letters describe how gundams could become the next big secret project in the U.S. Military, more so speaking the United States Air Force. Also in these letters describe how useful and beneficial gundams would be. One of the ways in which they would be beneficial is cost wise. Yes, I realize that builiding a real gundam would be huge in height and probably cost in the double digits in the billions of dollars to create, but it the long run it would pay off. Think about it, like everyone says they would be able to take out a fleet of tanks, an army of tanks, with just a swift movement of an arm, and they would be able to tear though enemy fighter jets as if they were paper. And not only would the gundams be able to be used in combat, they could also be used for space exploration. With the materials that gundams would be made out of, they would be super air lock tight to any damage inflicted on it by any current technology already out their. By the gundams being very air lock tight to any damange the cost of repairs would be very cheap and in the long run save the goverment, the state, and the tax payers millions, if not billions of dollars. Now I know that you guys probably dont think that this way of getting runding would work, but trust me it would. But if you still need further proof that this would work, that in fact millions of voices WOULD BE HERD, WILL BE HERD, think about this: now I am sure many of you know Nickelodeon back in the 90s and how great those shows were. And if you did watch Nickelodeon back in the 90's or know the shows they had on then, then I know how much you missed them when nick took them off the air and wanted them back. Well people listen. After millions of people wrote letters and talked about it, talked about how much they missed their shows, nickelodeon listened and now has brought back the shows on a new nick block called The 90s are All That. The point that I am trying to get across here is that if people actually do try and write the letters and get their friends to write the letters and we all speak in one giant vocal sound wave, then people will listen, then the goverment will listen and might actually make this the next big thing for the U.S. Air Force.
[ ]airbon101
OH YEAH!!! we should do what like Blizzard said:)...we should gather all the fans of gundam in the world and write the letter!! XD than soon we have the ultimate weapon!! XD haha....its my dream that one day i can pilot one of those :) haha...
[ ]Blizzard
Haha thanks airbon101. If we, the people, can actually make this happen, then it is my dream to, 2 one day pilot a gun dam also.
[ ]Nate
Yo Billizard, Nate here.
I love your idea my man...I'm totally down for that..you still feeling it?
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airbon101
haha....XD...><
[ ]12Damon34
The thing is, by the time we have the ability to make a gundam, we will already have BioWarfare and a gundam will be useless. Why spend billions making gundams when you can just spend 7-10 million on somthing that will just make them sick and die.
[ ]airbon101
that is not war than =.=.... that is like... erm.... cheating!! ><
[ ]Sage Heeg
I think the whole 1,000,000 is just a gross exaggeration of the distance. I think this is whole happening within the same galaxy. Given the amount of jumps they made during "33 and the amount of jumps and time it took the fleet to reach Kobol, combine it with the time span and the amount of jumps they made to reach old earth and plus all the blind jumps they made, they would have very little knowledge on how far they traveled for the math needed to actually calculate it would be astronomical. So the whole 1,000,000 light years remarks looks to me as just a way of giving the viewer a sense of awe. Also it sound better on the script too then just a random number.
[ ]Jakku
I hope that one day gundams or anything similar to one will be made.
[ ]If gundams were made I don't think any country with a gundam of there own will be foolish enough to even challenge us!
Zyna
Ha, while all of you were thinking about mobile suits, I created the Arch Angle, and Genesis from Gundam Seed. And right now I am aiming Genesis at Earth, from the Plants, any and all are welcome to join my army of Zaft. And once I finish, I will create, and master the Freedom, and give my army Zaku's. Once I have finished the war I will start to create coordinators, and turn my army into extendeds. Afterwords I will follow in Chairman Durandalls steps, and ignitiate the Destiny plan.... I wish....
[ ]Blizzard
Try going to http://www.kickstarter.com to get funding. It would be cool if someone would actually post this on their to see how much funding it actually gets.
[ ]gregflets
hello im a little late but just back off holls, happy new year to yous all
[ ]greg
Nate
So you guys still willing and wanting to come up with making a Gundam?
Getting funds and stuff...? ♥♥♥
BTW. sorry im late aswell..♥
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Ivan
Shut up and take my money!
[ ]Nate
Lol I'm down for that :P
[ ]mioblob
first of gundanium is the same as lunar titanium alloy but it would be easier to make a knightmare frame and cheaper
[ ]Nate
yea but considering no one here wants to do it now do to lack of replys...i guess its just gona be a dream for now for the ones who want it :\
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Blizzard
http://www.blip.tv/subject-2
[ ]Delta_Ike
Sorry for Bad Spelling Inglish
Well I read some Post old post and remember the computer, Phone, T.V, even cars, Flying ware just fiction some said flying was in posibble and now we can fly at the sound speed. back in what 1600 AD they saw flying as we see anime and now see use now dam 1600 aD so all ways keep a open mind cause thare some supersmart crazy people up thare that i bet all the money that i dont have that they are working on this as we speak.....
[ ]Blizzard
we can do it
[ ]Nate
Man..its one of my biggest dreams i have and would love to accomplish in my life time..just dont now how exactly to go about it and not to many people i know feel the same way as most of you do and my self about this..
This is to blizzard. Where you from?
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matthew m
what about a space version use them for construction in space then build upon the design from there most likely some construction in space will happen with in the next 50-60 years normal construction vehicles will not work in space leaving a construction mobile looking like a reality
[ ]matthew m
or there could be an option for a sea based mobile suit
[ ]Nate
ye i could see that as well..
[ ]Blizzard
Nate, I am every where and no where at the same time, if I ever need your assistance I will let you know. And matthew m those sound like ideal uses for mobile suits. But before we design any application for them, we need to figure out how to fund the project.
[ ]Nate
@ Blizzard. For funding the project, like some one stated before already in the previous posts up top. We could get a group of people who are interested and are committed an join in to make it possible, funding an engineering wise also. For example...Take A.S.I.M.O they started off small taking baby steps. We would also do the same an it wouldn't be nearly as expensive.. but that's a no brainer.
For the group of people we would have to have it well balanced.
of mechanics / scientist's ( or people who really know their science. ) ect..
Also im just typing this up real fast so i may be over looking something but in all do honesty, it is possible with the right amount of people.
@ Matthew M. The more and more I read your thread, the more I can see that being a good idea an so very possible. Scientists an many people alike are fascinated by the sea an what it has to offer. So there's one way we could 'Pitch' the idea to "fund" the project but with out a doubt that'll be a very challenging job..But i'm down!! :D
Message me back ASAP guys, i like these conversations.
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Blizzard
Nate, i Like the sound of that. The only problem I see with that is getting enough people to participate/to be informed on something as big of a scale like this.
[ ]Nate
well it wouldn't be such a big model, we would start with baby steps and work our way up, only way to do it.
To be honest, i dont think it would be a problem to get people to participate. Someone all ready posted a website where you post up ideas to see if you can get funding for the operation along with a team ( participants. ) So we're not down on our luck exactly..
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airbon101
building a gundam for now i think its a bit impossible ><
HOWEVER, we should start up first from scratch = ZAKU!!!!!! XD haha...its really possible that with current tech, we are already able to build one of those :D
look at japan toy company, they are able to build robots!! so all we gotta do is 10 times that robot XD haha... everything 10 times! engine, legs, hands XD
MS will lead people into a new age.. i believe. with MS, we are able to build moon base, explore more of the universe...staying in universe like PLANT or ZEON ^.^
i believe we can approach robot companies or even NASA to start investing on such project!!!!
[ ]Nate
i can kinda agree with airbon101 on that..but i dont think approaching NASA would go very well..we would need some serious smarts an some seriously good, convincing reason to convince them to support the projects..
Zaku would be pretty nice..lol :D
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Chris
Why not bring the size down from 18 meters to about 14/15 meters? Remember, the V-Gundam was one of the leanest and smallest Gundams in the UC timeline, but both the V1 and V2 still looked insanely cool. That would bring the size down from about 59 feet to 45-47 feet - and in turn, would help solve some of the engineering issues.
[ ]Blizzard
If you bring the size down that would help with some cost issues, but we need some mobile suit gundams as well.
[ ]Tech Genius
I'd personally prefer using a Lancelot Albion. And my choice of tools would be vastly different. Also wouldn't it be better to fly the robot?
[ ]Blizzard
http://www.techeater.com/detail/002383/japan-considering-building-life-size-working-gundam-unit/
[ ]Mike
I believe that people in our society have the ability to build mobile suits like the ones in the gundam series how do we know that we cant make gundanium in space (if you have ever seen gundam it can only be made in space) but we could today easily make mobile suits like the ones from mobile suit gundam 00 if you havent seen it look it up. its just that people in our society (government officials who have the authority to build them) believe that if they were built it would give insperation to revolution. but they could already being produced at area 51 as far as the normal person knows.
[ ]Axcel
I'm sure that if some idiot instigates WW3, deathrays and antigrav space battleships and lunar bases and hellbores and titans (wh40k) and gundams and skynet would be unveiled by everyone.
[ ]Axcel
You know, mobile suits in canon used fully automatic assault rifles that fired tank cannon rounds. That sounds useful to me. Also, you can put a ridiculous amount of armor on it without problems (humans carry large weights, including medieval armor without becoming immobile, too). This comes together in a machine capable of slaughtering armored companies and battalions of infantry. Add shoulder-mounted vulcans and it becomes hard to kill by aircraft and missiles, too. Speaking of which, sticking vertical launch missile racks on the back would be nice. Add miniature steel rain in the form of oversized automatic grenade launchers on either side of the cockpit.... wow...whichever country builds mobile suits first willbe scary as hell. Then comes the advanced ramjets that use the suit's own weight (falling, so to speak) to generate massive amounts of thrust due to how much pressure the oxygen could be put under from a mobile suit falling through the air... then it can freaking FLY, on top of the rest.
Holy -*
[ ]gzgrigeko
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[ ]Blizzard
I bet Japan has already started to build real working life size gundams, like those seen in Mobile Fighter G Gundam
[ ]c
It still looks to me this has missed its chance.
[ ]Blizzard
no way, we will always have a chance to create the most super sophisticated mecha ever
[ ]Gun slinger
This is cool and all but. To build a gundam its not as much as what this says. Granted it dose cost alot but not that much. Second if you are willing to sacrifice the pilot safety a little just use normal metal or melt down the metals needed (iron 40% carbon fiber 20% tin 30% and the last 10% ether silver or gold) will allow you to use motors with only 225kw that can run. If you do it your self total of $110.000.00 sounds better to me
[ ]Gun slinger
Btw carbon is weeker than honnycomb... Im a metal smith so learn about things that crumple and things that can take 50 times the impact and just get a crack.
[ ]Blizzard
we can build it and we can make it work.
[ ]Deshra
Wow, so much idiocy. Why would it even be reasonable to build such a large robotic unit when the weaponry that it would use would be so difficult to create. Let alone the Minovsky particles that would make such a unit necessary. Even so Iron Man's armor would decimate a gundam merely because his high attack and speed. A gundam pilot couldn't keep up, even if it were a newtype using funnels. Scale down the giant robot and build more human sized and it's not only more practical but can be funded more readily. Case in point the ARC reactor has already been built and repulsor tech is the easiest part of the tech to replicate. The only issue is the minimization of missiles and the AI needed to assist in handling the suit.
[ ]THERE WILL BE GUNDAM
The zaku II seems possible because they are probably the simplest of all mobile suits but they may not be very well armed for dealing with our modern military weapons so I'd suggest adding anti personnel,ground vehicle,air Vulcans,some built in mini missiles and of course all of its original equipments. It needs some kind of power source that could let it operate long enough to at least let it cause massive destruction. It will need at least a GM's type of armor but has to be able to withstand multiple tank shots but at the same time able to move as fast enough to dodge long range missiles. some vulcans may have to be intalled on its back too so it can intercept missiles without having to move. But all these would cause extreme weight issues unless GN particles are discovered and everything regarding weight and power source issues should be more or less solved.
[ ]Blizzard
I like how this page still gets a breath of fresh air every once in a while and isn't completely dead
[ ]Real
Dude,
[ ]calculations are wrong. I design airplanes and your estimates are way off. No gas turbine engine gets even close to a $54M price tag
MrAEGDI
Agreed, It appears the $54M price tag came from the estimated cost for an Apache (as a whole and not just the engine).
[ ]Blizzard
Is anyone actually still up for this?, And does anyone still actually come to this page?, Just Trying to give this page a second wind. You know me, Nate, and the one or two other people who are actually still crazy enough to post here. lol.
[ ]Requiem
These costs are unreasonably high for all the wrong reasons.
First off, no one who wants a working robot that is supposed to weigh 40-50 tons would use electric motors. They're too bulky and aren't economical for highly variable workloads. This sort of design would benefit from a hydraulic set of linear and rotary actuators. In this sort of application, hydraulics can give very high power to weight, very high torques and reasonable speeds and responsiveness. In all designs, everything is always a concession. You simply cannot have the best of all worlds, so you need to prioritise and optimise for your function.
I would propose a rather varied design with hydraulic pumps powered by a RTM322-01/9A turboshaft, rated for 1566kW continuous (2100 shaft hp, 232.15kg, 118x69x65 cm, making it a very compact power source) output, coupled to 6 PVV-200 hydraulic pumps, rated for 414 bar at 326 lpm (1956 litres per minute total), along with an intermediary 100kW generator to charge a battery bank to provide power for the onboard electronics and between startup and shutdown, as well as power a motor connected to a 7th, backup pump to act as a temporary hydraulic power source, to enable periodic shutdown of the primary engine.
I would personally add a small subsystem of an ultra high pressure accumulator and double acting hydraulic intensifier to act as a primary backup, to absorb and smooth the shocks of the hydraulic circuit. I would look at a 400 to 4000 bar hydraulic intensifier to couple to a 500L (50L 400 to 4000 bar bladder type) accumulator to store instant access high power energy. Air compressed from 400 to 4000 bar, stores a minimum of 24MJ, and could release up to 46MJ. This ultra high pressure fluid could then be used as a boost injector. If the hydraulic circuit is built to withstand it, the 4000 bar fluid could be injected directly into the system to give a huge power boost.
[ ]Requiem
With some of the major systems out of the way, you can now start to look at the performance. For an example of the power output of the 400 bar pressure system, 4 pairs (8 total) of 36cm bore cylinders which would fit a single pair above and another pair below a double hinge knee joint, with a lever moment of 30 cm, you would be looking at a torque of about 10 MN-m and a force at the cylinder ends coming up to a total of 33.4MN at the knee joint. Assuming the pumps can pump the fluid quickly enough, with a 25 cm stroke, 470 litres per second would be needed to be pumped into the cylinders to achieve an extremely high power jump. Assuming that the distance from the knee joint to the foot is 4m, then this specific set of parameters, (very high force and high volume flow) would be enough to lift the 50 ton mech 18m into the air. This is where a high output from the accumulator would be desirable. Such performance is likely to be too extreme for any compact system to handle though, so expect a more reasonable 4-6m jumping capability.
To pilot these machines, to save cost and avoid software bugs, rather than have a highly computerised system, I would recommend a electronically controlled hydraulic feedback system. This is where the hydraulics themselves provide a physical feedback to the pilot so that they can "feel" what the mech feels. A good example of this is the General Electric Walking Truck of the 60s. Modernised with electronic fine tuning to better suit the pilot, this system would be the most cost effective system to pilot the machine with.
The construction of the machine would be better served with either titanium alloys (Grade 38/R54250) or the newly developed B2 crystal microstructure steel. The new steel has a very similar strength to weight ratio, but is significantly less expensive. Once a protective surface has been developed for it, it is a viable option for building a real life mech.
[ ]Requiem
Overall, you're probably looking at numbers closer to 200 and 250 million, maybe 300 million if you incorporate lots of modern comforts. The RTM322 is less than 2 million per unit, and it is likely o be the single most expensive part. Aside from that, you're looking at an average component cost of on the order of $200 000 or so, with about 1000 major sections give or take a hundred.
In a less extreme form than its TV relatives, a real world mech (Gundam or otherwise) is completely within current technology. The primary reason I believe it has not been developed as a technology is that nobody is willing to invest in the technology as its risk is too high. It carries a heavy investment price tag and doesn't provide a large enough benefit. The only practical application of such a technology is likely to be limited to a utility or support vehicle in the military. Used to pull heavy machinery and equipment over all terrains. It might also find limited use in the construction industry, but that is a little more far fetched.
If one truly wished to build a real life mech, the only way you could do it is via crowdfunding. First you have to set up a design team, draw up preliminary and concept plans. Then you have to go to industrial manufacturers and suppliers and get quotes on the cost of all the components and labour required. Then you take this plan and present it in your crowdfunding campaign.
If building it is successful, the logical thing to do is promote it. Use it as a show piece and tour the world with it. If you can take the technology around, it will pique interest. It also allows you to make money with which you can invest in modifying the original machine or building another. On top of this, and possibly most importantly, you can finally field test this technology. You can test what its limits are and how practical it is.
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